Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Follow 23035. 14 years ago. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. u/nullfather can attest to that. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. . Beyonder isnt really known for prep anyways. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. This is the biggest mismatch. you speak nonsense earth boy. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. Originally, the Marvel Comics' character known as The Beyonder, as portrayed during Jim Shooter's Secret Wars duology, as a nearly all-powerful entity. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. 3. . We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 1. 1. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Adviser (Vs)Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Spectre. So I might be missing something. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. Jul 2, 2016. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. The original Beyonder was considered to be the most powerful being in the multiverse, having power surpassing Cosmic Entities, such as the Living Tribunal and Eternity. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Which effectively means that they give Beyonder their sunday. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". The One Above All. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. 5 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Franklin Richards(full control of his powers) All the celestials. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. But it wont be easy by no means. 1. synnar the. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. Jul 30, 2018. 2. . Beyonder, when first created, could defeat Galactus, because he was. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)PennywiseThe Crimson King. But it wont be easy by no means. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. CsmicRanker1314 1. Wiki Points. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. 7 years ago. vs. 2. FIRST COSMOS. it would be mostly stalemate. Hell even Strange Visitor Superman with scaling off of Mxy could take Pre-Retcon Beyonder. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. This topic is locked from further discussion. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. #1 Nicholas_Jones. "Now now thats not true. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. But Lucifer. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive battle between many of the mainstream. Prepare for. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. 43. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. 1 year ago. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. The Beyonder has been retconned. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. It's my understanding that Anti-Monitor is on a lower tier than the Living Tribunal, who in return is far below pre-retcon Beyonder. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. -Everyone full powers. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Lucifer obviously wins, the guy literally has half of God's omnipotence. Additional powers include teleportation, flight, the ability to choose his own physical resistances and attributes. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. 1. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". bigbran. Summary. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. Thanos w IG and heart of the universePre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. This pre retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. No, he is likely Presence level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. 8. K. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. ago. First is the. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Idk its hard to say because the beyonders who destroyed eternity infinity and all the cosmic entities, it took time for them to do that but the Marquis of Death waved his hand and they all died. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. 4 years ago #3. The entire Watcher. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. But it doesn't end there. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. g. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. #36. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. Beyonder was everything inside the Multi-verse. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Location: Above Earth. 140. 14 years ago. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. He's about cause and effect and. 3 years ago. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. He would erase him from existence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. R1: Everyone of the verses is at their peak. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . 0. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Sorry this is turning into a minor RT haha,. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. . MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. 7. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. the retcon. 3. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Living tribunal. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. • 1 year ago. (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. This is the biggest mismatch. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. Pre-retcon Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the entire multiverse. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Dude’s absolutely broken. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). 548. A. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. Ima go with byonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. synnar the. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. 7 K. 4 years ago. One Universe of a difference. 4 years ago. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. 4 years ago. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. GEB=Anti Pressence. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. Wiki Points. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Pre retcon beyonder was absolutely omnipotent, the equal of the one above all. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He is. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. faster. Follow 2882. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. Forum Posts. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. #38 JayBlack. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. 4 years ago. No prep and no knowledge. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Yeah. 2. 14 years ago. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. He wins. . 0. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. . While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Been done here on the vine. R2: God stomps. • 1 year ago. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Numidium 2. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and destroy reality, in Marvel Comics. 0. The beyonder is under him. Follow 474. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Prepare for. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. destinyman75. Hesperus 25 d . It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Forum Posts. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. A single PR Beyonder was enough to solo all the Celestials by himself . "Pre-retcon" just means. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Both sides are in character but determined to win. #1. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Poll Shinra Banshoman vs Pre Retcon Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar (115 votes) Beyonder and Lucifer erase Shinra on accident 16%. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. pre retcon molecule man vs. #4. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone.